The United Kingdom is dead, killed by the government.
The recent report by the Police Ombudsman, Nuala O'Loan into State collusion with loyalist paramilitary death squads should render the UK/Britain unworkable.
Why? Because this report demonstrates that the UK government has a Saddam Hussein style fondness for crushing dissent, and by using the ultimate sanction - murder. On the basis of one informant alone there are definite links to 10 murders. And strong pointers to 5 more. And that's not counting the other crimes included in the report : Armed robbery, bombings (that's right folks, terrorism) and numerous other activities. The police were also involved in the systematic, procedural destruction of evidence, meaning the true scale of the collusion will never be known.
When a government is involved in killing it's own subjects, it renders itself obsolete. It gives itself pariah status and can never again be relied on unless the entire apparatus of government is dismantled and started afresh. This can only happen with the breakup of the "United" Kingdom. Only the repeal of the Act of Settlement (1701) and Acts of Union (1707) and the return of independent governance to Scotland (and possibly the birth of a new nation state in Northern Ireland?) will begin to heal these sores.
I also hold out the forlorn hope that the question of prosecution (on war crimes charges?) would be pursued. Starting with Mrs Thatcher and finishing with arch hawk Blair. Justice is justice and must be seen to be served equally amongst our society.
Why you might ask do I want prosecutions at the top end? Because the government is, ultimately, responsible for the police services and provision of such. The government isn't just the nominal head of the police, but is responsible for the laws that are policed and indeed the employment of each and every police officer. We should remember that the buck stops with them. The UK government knew for years that the RUC/PNSI was corrupt yet did nothing. In fact, by the government allowing the police service to continue unaltered it actually gave tacit approval to them. Years of intransigence and failure to act on the problem we all knew existed cost people their lives. And allowed the police service to continue as a force for evil, killing the tax payers that funded them.
The US Senate committee have asked the UK to to host a full independent inquiry into the murder of Pat Finucane. That should set the cat amongst the pigeons - Although the US are hardly a paragon of virtue on the subject of human rights.
Maybe it's not so much of a worry though - if we continue our slide into totalitarian rule, our right to dissent will be removed anyway and state sponsored killing will become the norm throughout the "UK".
Why? Because this report demonstrates that the UK government has a Saddam Hussein style fondness for crushing dissent, and by using the ultimate sanction - murder. On the basis of one informant alone there are definite links to 10 murders. And strong pointers to 5 more. And that's not counting the other crimes included in the report : Armed robbery, bombings (that's right folks, terrorism) and numerous other activities. The police were also involved in the systematic, procedural destruction of evidence, meaning the true scale of the collusion will never be known.
When a government is involved in killing it's own subjects, it renders itself obsolete. It gives itself pariah status and can never again be relied on unless the entire apparatus of government is dismantled and started afresh. This can only happen with the breakup of the "United" Kingdom. Only the repeal of the Act of Settlement (1701) and Acts of Union (1707) and the return of independent governance to Scotland (and possibly the birth of a new nation state in Northern Ireland?) will begin to heal these sores.
I also hold out the forlorn hope that the question of prosecution (on war crimes charges?) would be pursued. Starting with Mrs Thatcher and finishing with arch hawk Blair. Justice is justice and must be seen to be served equally amongst our society.
Why you might ask do I want prosecutions at the top end? Because the government is, ultimately, responsible for the police services and provision of such. The government isn't just the nominal head of the police, but is responsible for the laws that are policed and indeed the employment of each and every police officer. We should remember that the buck stops with them. The UK government knew for years that the RUC/PNSI was corrupt yet did nothing. In fact, by the government allowing the police service to continue unaltered it actually gave tacit approval to them. Years of intransigence and failure to act on the problem we all knew existed cost people their lives. And allowed the police service to continue as a force for evil, killing the tax payers that funded them.
The US Senate committee have asked the UK to to host a full independent inquiry into the murder of Pat Finucane. That should set the cat amongst the pigeons - Although the US are hardly a paragon of virtue on the subject of human rights.
Maybe it's not so much of a worry though - if we continue our slide into totalitarian rule, our right to dissent will be removed anyway and state sponsored killing will become the norm throughout the "UK".
Labels: Human rights, Politics
posted by p8ddy at 1:53 pm
33 Comments:
p8ddy - now that is more like it! At least I understand your stance on this, the previous blog just left me confused (which is not that difficult anyway!).
It does smack of state sponsored terrorism, and could almost be likened to the state in Nazi Germany. I of course realise that at country level, the numbers are insignificant in comparison, but at an individual level, they are as devastating now as they were 70 years ago.
I disagree with you slightly as to where the prosecutions should start and end. My reading of your initial comment is that the prosecutions should be aimed at the top, but surely those at "the coal face", those that actually carry out the orders of the middle management, are as guilty. I see it as a broad spectrum of huilt. AT the top we have the responsibility that you have identified. In the middle there are those that instigated the actions carried out by the "minions". Hang 'em all I say, they are guilty one and all.
On the dismantling of the UK - yes please!. The sooner we have control over our own destiny, the better.
There - I have agreed with you once more.
Curly
P.S. Thanks for the bolding on the previous blog - it was fun!!!
Curly...
The previous blog was just illustrating that some of the things that were predicted in '89 have came to pass. That the same people are predicting an even bleaker future should be regarded as a distinct possibility. In 89 Jello Biafra was accused of being a scaremonger/drama queen/conspiracy nut.
It does smack of state sponsored terrorism, and could almost be likened to the state in Nazi Germany. I of course realise that at country level, the numbers are insignificant in comparison, but at an individual level, they are as devastating now as they were 70 years ago.
Absolutely. I don't think the numbers matter too much. Once the threshold is crossed it's no longer about numbers so much as the message that it's acceptable to kill dissenters. The acceptance of it as a legitmate political tool is the scary part.
disagree with you slightly as to where the prosecutions should start and end. My reading of your initial comment is that the prosecutions should be aimed at the top, but surely those at "the coal face", those that actually carry out the orders of the middle management, are as guilty.
They are guilty, but they are not the important people. The weight and expectation (and indeed mandate) of an entire nation isn't threatened by one bad cop. One bad Prime minister on the other hand... Added to this, the fact is that the "grunts" at the bottom of the pile come under pressure to perform from those above them. I agree that all should be punished, but the punishment for those at the top should be greater and more swift due to the position of importance and trust they hold.
On the dismantling of the UK - yes please!. The sooner we have control over our own destiny, the better.
These coming elections will be great barometer of where the SNP in particular is going. I doubt there will be a better time to wrest control from Labour.
There - I have agreed with you once more.
We are in accord! :-)
/p
Curly...
The previous blog was just illustrating that some of the things that were predicted in '89 have came to pass. That the same people are predicting an even bleaker future should be regarded as a distinct possibility. In 89 Jello Biafra was accused of being a scaremonger/drama queen/conspiracy nut.
It does smack of state sponsored terrorism, and could almost be likened to the state in Nazi Germany. I of course realise that at country level, the numbers are insignificant in comparison, but at an individual level, they are as devastating now as they were 70 years ago.
Absolutely. I don't think the numbers matter too much. Once the threshold is crossed it's no longer about numbers so much as the message that it's acceptable to kill dissenters. The acceptance of it as a legitmate political tool is the scary part.
disagree with you slightly as to where the prosecutions should start and end. My reading of your initial comment is that the prosecutions should be aimed at the top, but surely those at "the coal face", those that actually carry out the orders of the middle management, are as guilty.
They are guilty, but they are not the important people. The weight and expectation (and indeed mandate) of an entire nation isn't threatened by one bad cop. One bad Prime minister on the other hand... Added to this, the fact is that the "grunts" at the bottom of the pile come under pressure to perform from those above them. I agree that all should be punished, but the punishment for those at the top should be greater and more swift due to the position of importance and trust they hold.
On the dismantling of the UK - yes please!. The sooner we have control over our own destiny, the better.
These coming elections will be great barometer of where the SNP in particular is going. I doubt there will be a better time to wrest control from Labour.
There - I have agreed with you once more.
We are in accord! :-)
/p
p8ddy -
To paraphrase the song -
"my comment, my comment, so good you agreed twice" - scary.
At least we can comment on here as normal, unlike poor old CQN. Must only be on there that problems exist, cos other blogs are working fine as well. Maybe paul67 will have to put another 50p in the meter? *-))
Curly
P8ddy -
Is it only us 2 that know of this haven of peace and quiet in the Blogger community?
Apart from a very occasional visit from a friendly bear, the blog doesn't get the visitor numbers to really move the discussion on.
Maybe you should consider advertising on CQN, I mean we do have a very political support, crossing the complete spectrum of politics in this world no doubt! By advertising I do of course simply promoting yer wee place at the end of you comments, like some of the other guys. Go on, we need a wee bit more life in here.
Curly
p8ddy -
You really must get with the plan here. I thought that you were more blog-proud than this, I mean, when was the last time you looked in here? There are cobweba everywhere, and look at all that dust.
Get a grip - we need another topic, pleeeze?
Curly
P8ddy,
how you keeping?
No hear much these days.
I know exactly where you are coming from. You will be sorely missed from CQN. I wont try to ask you to reconsider,Paul's blog is becoming more and more sycophantic with each passing day with fewer people like ourselves posting(granted my efforts were never in your league.
I have noticed that it is the same little group posting all the time.I gave up offering an opinion when I couldnt be bothered fighting the "coterie" anymore.
My views on life are very similar to your own-well left of centre, atheist but Celtic daft.
SNP for me this time though.
All the best mate, my email is available on my profile.
ps-try Kerrydale Street.Some good thinkers on there.
P8ddy
mail me at
whitedoghunch@hotmail.co.uk
P8ddy
Hi it's me mr angry. Shhh! Just to say I'll be popping into your blog (didn't know you had one) from time to time.
Oh I made a little video yesterday on youtube. You might like to see it. If so type "ericcolumba" into youtube search.
oh and thanks for showing me the art of bolding
p8ddy -
Have just had a quick run through yesterday's posts on CQN.
Firstly, you and yours will be in my thoughts. I hope that you can get the best possible outcome. Perhaps you could let us know via this blog how things go?
Secondly, on your "resignation" from CQN. I feel somewhat uncomfortable with the religious overtones of Paul67's post. The only thing I can say in Paul's defence is that he does not go down this route often, unlike some on the blog. My agnostic views generally remain inside my head (plenty of room in there!).
Like john_h, I find myself overwhelmed by the feel good factor in the blog.I am not, and never will be a "mineshafter" to the extent of some of the guys. I prefer to consider myself a realist. The fact is that this season, we supporters of Celtic have seen a somewhat lacklustre performance from our "heroes" in the majority of games. I do not expect to see Brazil-esque standards at every game, but we have to do something about it for next season. Our goals (read entertainment) to games ratio is the lowest in almost 10 years! This has to be sorted out for next season.
I (and I suspect many others have similar feelings) do not regard CQN as an absolute must, a daily fix, an essential part of my daily existence, like I used a couple of years ago. I think that is mainly down to some people no longer posting on there, and for a general lack if incisive posts as there used to be. I suppose I shouldn't moan about this, cos I was never one of the bright ones who could analyse a game of fitba like your good self. We always had an interesting mix of fitba, politics, music, and general chit-chat, with no personal attacks. We were all treated as equals, but it is heading the way of "Animal Farm" nowadays - seems that some are more equal than others.
So much for my plan of "nip over to p8ddy's place and tell him that I am with him"! Once again, sorry for the long post.
Anyway, time for me to do what my employer pays me for, er , oh yes, now I remember.
I now have my wee blog up and running. I am still waiting on someone claiming the 1st post on there, so why not toddle over and shoot the shit with me?
Remember, you are not alone.
Your cyber pal,
Curly
PS If you want to, drop me a line at turratim@btinternet.com
P8ddy, you are not alone mate. Sorry to read about your personal problems and I hope you get through them as best you can.
I left CQN because of a certain individual on there, but I decided to come back. The blog will be a poorer place without your intelligent input.
pablophanque
p8ddy,
Never knew you had a blog!!
I'm another long time CQN lurker who was only brought out of the woodwork recently due to the championship win and then your treatment the next day.
I'm a strident atheist but I thought your reaction to P67s post was a little over the top - cant make any comment on the Polish issue as I never read any of it.
However, you should have had the right to make your point without insult.
I think the Celtic family have been living in perpetual fear of an even worse scenario than Black Sunday recently and everyones nerves have been more than a little frayed - perhaps, thats the reason for the hostility and irrational posting on CQN.
I feel for you regarding your personal situation, I've recently had a bereavement myself, and my own partner is extremely ill - doesn't make for much of a happy time.
Loved your post on the UK - nice to get away from the football for a bit :D
all the best,
andy
P8ddy...
Don't know if you're actually reading CQN anymore, but in case you're not, I'll repeat my message to you here...
I genuinely hope your personal situation, and that of your mother and father-in-law turns out as best as it can possibly be, given whatever the circumstanes are.
You know I enjoy jousting with you, and I would miss it if you weren't there to maintain the balance (in an intellectual way). It's different here, because I agree with practically everything you say!
P8ddy have said most of what I wanted to say on CQN.
Keep yer chin up pal.
Kano
p8ddy,
saw the stramash on CQN on came over to offer a bit of support.
It's no help I'm sure, but I've recently had a similar experience with my mum. I tried to use the blog as a form of therapy, but my own inertia and the CQN mantra of "thou shalt not doubt" was an off-puter.
Best wishes to you and yours, and I hope that you find the time to continue contributing.
G.
To digress from the CQN debate. This is a fantastic blog. Have read through the posts and the comments and clicked the links. Good to see my old Historical Studies Professor, John Foster, still going strong and fighting the class war.
He was a brilliant lecturer. Put the Marxist perspective on "class" in historical terms perfectly.
Didnt agree with him completely as I am a Trot but respect all the same.
back to CQ-got an email from Heraldo today. He sends his best wishes p8ddy. He hasnt even looked at CQN for a month.
p8ddy -
any word yet?
Curly
P8ddy :- My best wishes go to you and yours, I know from experience what a stress worrying about your mum during a serious illness can be.
I hope you reconsider the decision to keep away from CQN as without posters like yourself it can become rather banal and bland.
Ye oot there P8ddy?
How you doing P8ddy?
Ye still among the land of the web?
Thought I'd pop in and see if you're around p8ddy.Take care.
p8ddy -
Hope all is well with you. Remember you have a lot of cyber friends out here who are all hoping that you will appear once more to lighten up the blogs.
Take care,
Curly
Just popped in to say Hello P8ddy.
Hope you and yours are well
Kano
Hi mate, hope things have improved for you. If not, I hope they do soon. It'd be great to see you bolding with the best of them on CQN.
pablophanque
P8ddy -
I echo pablo's thoughts.
All the best.
Curly
Hi P8ddy,
I don't know whether you still come on to the blog or whether life has left yo to busy> I know you had trouble with serious illness in your family and hope that the best possible outcome was the result. If you ever have the time you should perhaps consider returning to CQN as you (and others) gave the site a balance and a perspective that was hard to find on any other site. Whatever way your life is going just now I wish you good luck and from a selfish point of view hope you can bring yourself to start posting again.
Hey P8ddy,
Ye still oot there?
Give us a clue,wouldn't mind a wee natter with ye again.
Hope things are well with you and yours.
Cheers,
Kano
Hello p8ddy -
Don't know if you are still checking in here or not.
Hope things are better for you than earlier in the year.
Take care,
Curly
P8ddy
I made a crude assumption some time ago on one of your posts.
It was a quick assumption based on my thoughts about you through what you write.
I saw you mention the Southern General.
I'm sure you spent time in the family room if I remember the illness correctly.
My friends etc helped build that little place.
My apologies for the first mistake.
My heid bleed brought me closer to my loved ones.
I hope you and yours are well.
Bryan.
Hi p8ddy
good to see you back.
hope things have improved for you.
cheers
G
p8ddy -
Happy New Year to you and yours.
'Twas good to see you back on CQN, albeit a wee while ago. Any chance of another of your incisive starters on here?
Curly
Thanks for writing this.
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